Lots of posts on various blogs crying about the NATO bombing because of the 15-year anniversary.
Serbia is kind of like this guy who can't get over the fact that his girlfriend dumped him, moved out and called the cops. Now, 15 years later, he sits around, underemployed in his squalid apartment crying about what an ingrate lying bitch his ex was, how she was better off when she was with him and how they'll be together again one day - maybe when the cops in charge of protecting her 24/7 decide that their job is over.
Well hello there i will tell you one thing you are terribly wrong about that, you see those people the disgousting serbs as you present us yeah some of us dont cry only when its aniversary some of us cry every day becouse you see many people have been killed while bombing. I will tell you one of the stories thats stuck with me and the worst part is ther has been so many cases similar to that one but we just havent heard for them. See there was a little girl called milica and she was 4 at the time of nato bombing and she was sitting on a potty when a bomb fell far away but all that crap like shrapnel pieces fell on her thry the windows and poor girl was dead on the spot.And now tell me do you really think hers family only cries on aniversary of bombing well no they cry and they grief every they. The conclusion is i dont care if you hate serbia or write all of thoe texts but please have some humanity and dont be so insensitive becouse you weren there and you havent been through it like some of us had to experience that horrible horrible thing becouse it would be the same if i wrote texts about twin towers and laugh to people who are griefing. And just to make it clear i am very sad about twin towers many people lost their loved ones and i sad that so my words arent taken out of contest.
ReplyDeletedifference is, of course, 9/11 wasn't in response to the USA oppressing a minority in one of their provinces and creating an apartheid situation for 10 years.
DeleteHow many Kosovar Albanian "Milica's" are there?
Deleteof course Milica's death is a tragedy, but what led up to it?
Serbs talk about the bombing as though it's something that just happened to happen to them while they were on the potty, minding their own business.
never ever change the way of thinking, they hate entire human kind and they are the sky nation (very similar nation like Arabs). Once upon a time, a Serbian was asking an Albanian, could you kill your own child for the cause of nation and country? Albanian replied to him saying no, never, and Serbian told him, than you will never win because we Serbs, we can do that. Pretending to be victim 24/7, committing all the unimaginable atrocities, massacres and trying blindly to convince the world that Serbs are pure nation and everybody is against them, it is just insane. For Gods sake, when you do evil things, how in earth you expect to get rewarded with good things? Genocide was done by Serbs all over ex Yugoslavia, cutting with knife the stomach of pregnant mother and taking the unborn child out of stomach in purpose, planned and with intention and child killed (I feel sorry for all the children of the world) by shrapnel accidentally, it is different. All over the world children are getting killed non intentionally. like in Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan and every other place that has terrorists, just remember who used human shields in Balkan's wars? Of course, Serbia, same as the terrorists do every time. Serbs have been using priests blessings before they went to kill, rape and burn everything what is not Serbian, what kind of religion is that? Madness and insanity in Serbian common (non) sense continues for centuries. Before the wars in Balkans, a Serbian men was yelling in the downtown of Zagreb, I am Serbian, I am Serbian, and then the old woman passing by near, told him, I am sorry for you my son, it is not our fault!
Delete9/11 was an inside job and gave U.S. license for "infinite war" which George Bush junior said with a smile.
ReplyDeleteAnd you are ignorant that it was the Albanians who started the killing in Kosovo. The KLA was kidnapping and killing civilians. They were caught with a makeshift crematoria trying to burn bodies of a massacre in Klecka of mostly Serbs but also a few Albanians who didn't support the KLA.
The biggest killer of Albanians before the NATO bombing was the KLA which was carrying out assassinations of Albanians who had government jobs.
The ENTIRE KLA leadership was indicted for crimes against other Albanians. Only witnesses were killed and much of it done right under the noses of the international community (KFOR, UN, foreign staff). There was no protection for Albanians witnesses against KLA crimes.
In the run-up to Ramush Haradinaj's trial there was the murder and suspicious accidents/suicides of 19 Albanian witnesses or their family members.
After which, of course there were no witnesses to testify because they were killed off or scared off.
The KLA had torture camps all over Kosovo - every single commander did and it was the only way they would get promoted.
Also, the KLA killed Roma and a Roma organization has a list of hundreds of Roma killed by the KLA which are being falsely claimed as Albanians killed by Serbs.
So Albanians even pad their victimhood by stealing Roma victims of their own KLA.
P.S. There's a Kosovo-Albanian in the news today for carrying out a suicide bombing in IRAQ of all places. Says he killed 52 Iraqi soldiers and police. And remember now the U.S. is supporting that army so it's not something the U.S. wants now.
P.P.S. 3 Albanians were arrested last week for the killing of 2 Turkish soldiers and a policeman in a drive-by shooting using a long-barreled gun and a rented car. It was a purposeful hit.
These Albanians had been fighting in Syria.
The Albanians and Bosnian Muslims have both joined the terrorist groups in Syria committing atrocities in a nation far from their homes.
and the KLA just happened like that for no reason? Poor Serbs just minding their own business and KLA happened because they hate Serbs?
DeleteI can't stand this mealy-mouthed prevarication. As though the anti-bureaucratic revolution of 1989, the closure of Albanians schools, the removal of most Albanians from the public service just never happened.
The KLA arose because of Serbia policies.
and what's the logic of your PSs? Albanians are rotten so Serbs were right to crush them?
Odious Serbian logic
There was violence against the Serbs for decades and decades. In 1989 when Milosevic said to Serbs they won't be beaten anymore he was referring to the Albanian police who were beating Serbs down there.
DeleteEven the New York Times in the early 1980's published articles on violence of the Albanians towards Serbs and spoke of "sleeper cells" there. Albanians long aspired to a Greater Albania and besides Kosovo, they wanted parts of Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro, Southern Serbia and some even wanted parts of the "heel" of Italy.
The New York Times article mentioned how Serbs were leaving under violence of the Albanians.
It wrote of an Albanian conscript who murdered several of his sleeping bunk mates - sleeping Yugoslav soldiers. And most of them were non-Serbs - Slovene, Slovene-Croat, Bosniak-Croat, etc.
In WWII the Kosovo Albanians welcomed the Germans and they killed Serbs. In WWI they were killing Serbs.
In Ottoman times the Turks had to actual escort of protect Serbs and others on journeys due to Albanian banditry. The Turks even TOLD ALBANIANS TO NOT KILL SO MANY SERBS AS IT WAS EATING INTO THEIR TAX COLLECTION BASE. The Serbs were heavily taxed and large parts of their harvests went to the Ottoman Empire. So that's why the Turks tried to get the Albanians to calm down.
the only logical response to these individual instances of lawbreaking is to strip the civil rights of certain people based on ethnicity and setting up an apartheid state in one of your province.
DeleteI think a lot of states could learn a lot from Serbia about how to run a state.
Bravo! Doot je izrod roda svoga! Fuj!
DeleteAlso in the news today was an Albanian taking hostage a Lufthansa flight attendant with a razor blade. He was being deported when he wanted to claim asylum in Germany.
ReplyDeleteSo even though Kosovo is now run by Albanians and the "international community" Albanians are still leaving for other countries and claiming asylum.
Also, it was an Albanian who killed the U.S. airmen at a German airport three years ago. And he would have killed more if his gun didn't jam and he wasn't tackled by another quick-thinking airman. They said he even shouted that Allah Akbar statement of Muslims jihading.
You had the "Fort Dix Six" Albanians plotting a terrorist take in the U.S. and there've been others arrested for terrorism attempts in the U.S.
The Albanians were/are violent tools of foreign powers (of course sometimes they "blowback" on their masters as Albos are rather wild).
The Greeks grotesquely tortured an Albanian prisoner to death after he had stabbed and killed a Greek guard to death (he severed the Greek's windpipe) simply because the Albanian was angry he wasn't let out to see his mother in Italy.
And Albanians were involved in Croatia's and Bosnia's war, killing Serbs. They had a war in the summer 2001 with Macedonians until the west created the Ohrid Agreement. But even with that some of the try to spark a war such as when Albanians murdered teenage boys who were fishing just about 2 years.
After they were caught, one was hear saying that they should have just attacked policeman. So it was premeditated murder of the Macedonian teens.
Albanians were/are PROXIES in wars engineered by the west.
Key western countries engineered the break-up of Yugoslavia and the wars at Serbs and Serbia's expense. There is plenty of evidence if you search.
As well you have had UN officers testifying and writing on how Bosnian Muslims, for example, staged attacks and would murder their own ethnic group, including children, to have Serbs blamed.
See a book called "The Sharp End: A Canadian Soldier's Story" by James R. Davis.
He details many incidents of them sniping, provoking, staging, mortaring children in the street just below the building the Canadian soldiers were in...
There is so much crime the Muslims and Croats did which western mainstream media suppressed or would falsely blame Serbs for.
Even dead Croatian Serb farmers axed to death by Croat forces were pictured as Croats killed by Serbs despite their full names being known.
oh noes! Albanians doing terrible things all over the world. Milosevic was right to close Albanian schools in 1989!
DeleteHe didn't close their private/illegal schools. Albanians BOYCOTTED state/public schools because they weren't in the Albanian-language. They were demanding their own Albanian-language schools supported by the state.
DeleteWhat other country does that?
The U.S. doesn't have public Universities or high schools in anything but the English language. And the U.S. is a wealthy country.
But despite the boycott by some, still 50% of Albanian students were still going to state-funded schools up until the bombing.
There is even an interview with an Albanian girl who starts off by saying that she was a student at Pristina University and her brother a high school student on the day the bombing started. I can very likely get you the link to that.
Plus, before Milosevic took control, the Albanians made it impossible for other ethnicities to get a job.
A Roma man from Kosovo had to leave for abroad in those times because the Albanians would even put their 12-year-old kids on the job to keep non-Albanians out.
I'll retrieve the link. Everything I say can be backed up.
They HAD Albanian language schools and they were closed down.
DeleteLOTS of countries have multilingual public educational systems. Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, Yugoslavia (Hungarian in Vojvodina) Pretty much every country in the world actually if you count private schools.
But hey. I guess Albanians should have just accepted second-class citizenship
oh. guess what. a quick google search shows me that USA also has some schools taught in Spanish.
DeleteSerbs really like making stuff up, don't they?
"oh. guess what. a quick google search shows me that USA also has some schools taught in Spanish."
DeleteAre they U.S. public schools? And what about a Spanish or non-language University in the U.S.? Why isn't the University of Mexico in the Spanish language already? Maybe the Spanish should protest and start a terrorist group until Atzland (or however you spell it) is autonomous Mexican-controlled territory.
oh, you're back! hello again :)
DeleteI suggest you look it up for yourself. Why are you asking me? What's a non-language University, btw? Sounds interesting!
Here's a link which has links to 1980's articles on Kosovo violence starting with the riots in 1981 long BEFORE Milosevic was in power: http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html
ReplyDeleteThis 1987 article from "The New York Times" mentions the Albanian killing four sleeping "Slavic" bunk mates:
"A young Army conscript of ethnic Albanian origin shot up his barracks, killing four sleeping Slavic bunkmates and wounding six others.
The army says it has uncovered hundreds of subversive ethnic Albanian cells in its ranks. Some arsenals have been raided.
Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds and regulations to take over land belonging to Serbs."
Yep, the Albanians were receiving money from the Yugoslav government and there was even a special tax on Serbian workers' money which went to a fund in Kosovo. The Albanians LONG desired to take over Kosovo for themselves. More from the 1987 article:
"Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been torn down. Wells have been poisoned and crops burned. Slavic boys have been knifed, and some young ethnic Albanians have been told by their elders to rape Serbian girls.
The goal of the radical nationalists among them, one said in an interview, is an ''ethnic Albania that includes western Macedonia, southern Montenegro, part of southern Serbia, Kosovo and Albania itself.'' That includes large chunks of the republics that make up the southern half of Yugoslavia.
Other ethnic Albanian separatists admit to a vision of a greater Albania governed from Pristina in southern Yugoslavia rather than Tirana, the capital of neighboring Albania."
"...In one incident, Fadil Hoxha, once the leading politician of ethnic Albanian origin in Yugoslavia, joked at an official dinner in Prizren last year that Serbian women should be used to satisfy potential ethnic Albanian rapists. After his quip was reported this October, Serbian women in Kosovo protested, and Mr. Hoxha was dismissed from the Communist Party.
Coming three weeks after the ethnic Albanian draftee, Aziz Kelmendi, had slaughtered his Slavic comrades in the barracks at Paracin, the speech struck fear in thousands of families whose sons were about to start their mandatory year of military service."
So an Albanian politician joked about Serbian women to supply Albanian rapists!
Even NON-SERB Yugoslav politicians spoke of the troubles in Kosovo BEFORE Milosevic:
Other Yugoslav politicians have expressed alarm. ''There is no doubt Kosovo is a problem of the whole country, a powder keg on which we all sit,'' said Milan Kucan, head of the Slovenian Communist Party.
Trust me. I've already read all the Serbian propaganda sites and am well familiar with all of them.
DeleteI get it! There were some individual instances of crime committed by Albanians so therefor the entire ethnicity needed to be oppressed for 10 years and those ungrateful Albanians should have just accepted it. No need to keep posting the same argument over and over.
The New York Times isn't a "Serbian propaganda" site you nitwit.
DeleteI meant emperor's clothes, silly-man
DeleteHere's what a University educated Roma activist who was living in Kosovo said it was like when Albanians got in control:
ReplyDeleteBut he found he could not get work in either his chemistry field or in professional soccer because of discrimination against Roma. It was heartbreaking when the Albanians took control, as they began separatism and hired any Albanian - even 12 year old children - to do the work, including adult jobs, because of their Albanian nationality. Anyone not Albanian was out of luck.
http://www.blacksheepbellydance.com/writings/files/rom.html
right right. So, Albanian policies today are bad so therefore it was right for Serbia to impose an apartheid situation in 1989. makes sense.
DeleteWhat Sani Rifati, the Roma who had to leave Kosovo when the Albanians took over because they wouldn't let any non-Albanian get work (would even use their kids to fill a position) dovetails with more from The New York Times' 1987 article:
ReplyDelete"...Ethnic Albanians already control almost every phase of life in the autonomous province of Kosovo, including the police, judiciary, civil service, schools and factories. Non-Albanian visitors almost immediately feel the independence - and suspicion - of the ethnic Albanian authorities."
no need to make me keep repeating myself, I get it.
DeleteThere were problems in Kosovo and the only solution was to impose an authoritarian regime and oppress the majority of the population for 10 years in response.
So, I actually read the think about this poor guy who was discriminated everywhere he went due to discrimination of Roma. He was discriminated in Serbia, in Kosovo, in Croatia and later in Italy.
DeleteNice cherry-picking one sentence of him getting discriminated in an independent Kosovo and drawing conclusions from that when he was discriminated in Serbia as well.
Currently going on. And read the comments - Albanians and Bosnian Muslims are proud of their terrorists destroying other countries.
ReplyDeleteAlbanian and Bosnian Balkans Muhajireen of ISIS A Message to the Ummah
http://www.hellomagazin.rs/top-story/sasa-aleksander-u-holivudu-mi-nikada-nisu-nudili-uloge-losih-srba/
we've been over this 3 times already. I get it. There are bad Albanians and Slavic muslims, so therefore the only correct response was to create Serbian state oppression for 10 years.
DeleteI get it; really, I do!
"There were problems in Kosovo and the only solution was to impose an authoritarian regime and oppress the majority of the population for 10 years in response."
ReplyDeleteThe authoritarian regime was against the troublemakers and violent. Albanians were just upset when Serbia took back control of its province since the Albanians wanted to separate it and dominate it themselves - that was/is their goal. Many wanted a Greater Albania and flaunted it. Have you seen the official "Greater Albania" maps? Though now they like to term it "Natural Albania".
So Albanians pulled stunts, like BOYCOTTING public/state schools and claiming they were being denied and education. They were always able to freely go to those schools.
Oh, and speaking of free. The Albanians, most of them, didn't pay their utilities yet Milosevic and the Serbian government never cut off their electricity nor water.
Why in Albania proper there are people disconnected for not paying their bills.
What a nice man.
DeleteSo, looking back. Comparing other countries that have had issues with separatism (Canada, Belgium, now Scotland), would you say the Serbian model is a successful way of dealing with things?
DeleteThose other countries aren't having armed terrorists kidnapping their people. They don't have separatists running around with mortars, machine guns, grenade launchers, landmines, and anti-aircraft guns like the Albanians and others did.
DeleteBy the way there were huge arms smuggling for the separatists BEFORE the wars officially started.
Britain, U.S., Germany and some others were preparing for the breakup of Yugoslavia - at Serbs' expense.
I am a non-Serb. I am obsessed with this because I saw through the lies early on. I could see how manipulative and dishonest the media were. They were very phony and pushy about the war. You had these reporters pushing people to "care" yet they themselves had dead emotions or ones that didn't match. They were saying it as if scripted (and I don't doubt they were).
As I repeat the wars were engineered.
Those other separatist areas DON'T have the CIA, MI6, BND training them and I don't think that U.S. government operatives and agents are involved with those separatists either.
Those aren't of much interest and on the agenda as was the breakup of Yugoslavia and weakening of Serbia which was the most populous group of Yugoslavia at 40%. Serbia had to be weakened to a point that it couldn't reabsorb any parts of the planned separatists areas.
That's why the ethnic Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo had to be ethnically cleansed, under occupation or weakened until they had no effective political power.
It is not about whether Serbia leaders made mistakes (yes, they did). It is about whether it was appropriate to act in a way NATO acted. There was no justification for bombing my old dying mother whatsoever.
Deleteahhh. a non-serb kool-aid drinker. So, I'm going to go out on a limb that you've never been to Kosovo and probably never spoken to a real, live Kosovar Albanian. Sometimes people prone to conspiracy theorizing are drawn into Balkans issues. Serbian propaganda can be very seductive.
DeleteAgain, you're putting the cart before the horse. Milosevic's anti-bureaucratic revolution happened a good 8 years before any "mortars, machine guns, grenade launchers, landmines, and anti-aircraft guns"
It is not about whether Serbia leaders made mistakes (yes, they did). It is about whether it was appropriate to act in a way NATO acted. There was no justification for bombing my old dying mother whatsoever.
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My issue is that you almost never see Serbs claiming responsibility for their state's actions. It's all just poor Serbia was minding it's own business and BANG something with NO justification WHATSOEVER happened.
It basically comes down to "Serbs weren't oppressive enough to warrant such an action.
Smells like shit. Take some responsibility and then maybe someone will take you seriously.
You do not know what you are talking about. In SFRJ Albanians on Kosovo were positively discriminated (nacinalni kljuc). Yet, in 1981 (and later) there were large riots in Kosovo and requests for separation of Kosovo; riots that were not caused by any oppression. This was the first act that shaken SFRJ after Tito's death. Without these riots, you would never hear of Milosevic. How you can write this rubbish to people who were there and know what happen is beyond me?
Deleteyes. I get it. The only response to this problem was coming down with an iron fist.
DeleteHow would you assess the success of Serbian policies now, looking back?
We do claim responsibility and we accept our due. We just do not accept lies. 1945-1980 in SFRJ is a period of unprecedented level of prosperity of Albanians in art, science, culture and sport? Serbia helped Albanians in Kosovo a great deal. And, yet, when Tito died the first impulse was to forget everything and separate.
DeleteI already demonstrated in my first post that I get it. Serbia's ex is an ungrateful lying bitch who was better off when they were together.
DeleteLeaders of Serbia have made many mistakes (it is worse than a crime, it is a mistake). Gross violations of human rights were never acceptable and they should have never done that. However, they did not have capacity/training to deal with such monumental problems. I do not blame them much as it was very difficult task. Even now, in hindsight, one could not be sure what the best possible strategy was. Maybe what Russians have done? You are weak and you accept anything that is imposed on you. When you get stronger you come back.
DeleteLOL! yes, I can see that you have learned a lot. it's all about force and the correct usage of it!
DeleteWhat strange prevarication. Gross human rights violations are unacceptable. When you are stronger, you come back.
Thanks for illustrating the analogy of my first post :)
Thank you for your kind words. Yes, we did learn a lot. We had excellent teachers.
DeleteGood.
DeleteSo I can look forward to watching Serbia get another spanking sometime in my lifetime.
I doubt. We did learn a lot. We will know how to win our battles.
DeleteOne day, Serbia will be together again with his ungrateful lying bitch of an ex. Maybe when the police stop protecting her.
DeleteAnyone has a right to have dreams and aspirations. Serbia is not an exception.
DeleteSure.
DeletePersonally, if my dreams and aspirations involved future oppression and dreams of state violence, I'd think it's time to reevaluate my moral centre, but that's just me.
You deeply misunderstood me. If we have any dreams and aspirations we will do our best to achieve those using democratic and peaceful means.
DeleteIf that's true, than the way you're going about it today is rather comical
DeleteI would suggest to anybody who thinks commenting on this blog to think twice. Why dignifying this rubbish by commenting on it. Over and out.
ReplyDeletebye! Thanks for all your time!
DeleteBenjamin Works writes how Bob Dole and the Albanian lobby were engineering for an Albanian Kosovo even before Milosevic got in power autonomy was rescinded. Milosevic was reacting to Albanians backed by foreign (NATO countries) maneuverings and plots:
ReplyDeleteBob Dole and Yugoslavia; "Concurrent Resolution 150" and Other Puzzle Pieces
The Dole-DioGuardi resolutions prove the Serb reaction was not mere paranoia. This Dole-sponsored resolution also predates the rise of Slobodan Milosevic by more than a year, and pre-dates the termination of autonomous government in Kosovo by about three years. In effect, Mr. Dole's attempts to undermine Yugoslavia's multi-national --albeit still Communist-- Constitutional polity, made the rise of Mr. Milosevic possible, even a logical reaction to such devious pressures.
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Mr. Dole incessantly "waves the bloody shirt" with the wound he received under honorable conditions during his brief combat service with the 10th Mountain Division in northern Italy. But, since at least the mid-1980s (and likely back to his 1976 Presidential campaign), Mr. Dole has been in league with the fascist enemies of the US and their children in abetting the erection of a neo-fascist state in Croatia and a state headed by an identified Nazi youth leader, Alija Izetbegovic, in Bosnia. Dole has also attempted to steal Kosovo for the heirs of the Albanians who served in the SS Skanderbeg Mountain Division. In this scheming, Mr. Dole has betrayed his own military service and broken faith with all American and Allied veterans of World War II.
http://www.the-boondocks.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&&goto=201603
Yes, I do understand that there was an Albanian separatist movement.
DeleteYou are not that naive as you try to look. "Speak softly, and carry a big stick".
ReplyDeletehey there blog writer i would really like to meet you and btw how old are you
ReplyDeleteMan, where do I even start... The thing is, Serbs and Albanians are not that different deep down. Both have their fair share of violent thugs. Add brainwashing, tribe mentality and poor conflict resolution skills to the mix and what you get is a big mess. Serbs couldn't govern Kosovo just as they can't govern Serbia, and neither can Albanians. Sadly, both are (and will be) failed states unless the way of thinking changes fundamentally.
ReplyDeletereasonable comment!
Deletenope..I don't think it's reasonable because it's impossible to believe that serbian mentality will ever change.. the Japanese changed and so did the Germans after they got their asses brutalized all over the place and they rose from their ashes to be among the richest nations on earth, but that was only possible after we kicked their ass until we got tired of banging 'em.. in the case of Serbia, they haven't really suffered enough in order to change their mentality, but wait.. maybe even after some serious kicking they won't change, the entire country is populated by white trash who are squandering their natural resources.. if they asked me, I would've told NATO to finish the job, they'd be doing a favor to humanity (by preventing this disgraceful tribe to contaminate the world through their offsprings) and so they'll have a real reason to cry out loud "oh mama they kicked my ass!!!". NATO should've left a damn crater over Serbia.
DeleteI disagree.
Delete100s of 1000s of Serbs were marching against their own authoritarian regime. Bombing Serbia only polarized Serbia and actually helped Milosovic. Without the bombing, we would have a more normal, liberal-democratic Serbia today.
Today, liberals in Serbia have to deal with the baggage of being considered by some as with the people that bombed them
When you think about it, terms like 'Greater Serbia' and 'Greater Albania' are so tragic and at the same time freaking hilarious, considering what absolute shitholes both of those places are regardless of their size. It's like they're competing in whose shit is going to swim in a bigger toilet bowl or something. It beggars belief.
ReplyDeleteI liken people comparing the various balkan states in a competitive way to arguing which piece of shit has more corn in it
DeleteI don't know gays what are you talking about. Can't comment on Albania, but Serbia is e a great place. I am going to live there when I retire.
ReplyDeletegood luck to you!
DeleteI adore Belgrade. Kolarac, Kalemegdan, Knez Mihajlova. Grotlo Marakane. Lunch in kafana "Sport" prior to a game (is there is still "tepsija za 2 osobe"). Bananice. Sun is shining, girls are beautiful and you are rich. There is nothing that you can't do. I will die and be buried in Belgrade. On that occasion, they will sing as at any proper Serbian funeral "Tiho noci, moje zlato spava".
ReplyDeleteWhen's the last time you spent more than 8 months in Serbia?
DeleteThis is pretty key. Even I loved Belgrade for the first 8 months.
Nowadays you only go to Marakana if you want to be beaten up by racist, homophobic thugs while listening to the room-temp IQ crowd's popular chants like "Nož, žica, Srebrenica", "Ubij, zakolji, da Šiptar ne postoji", "Ubij, ubij, ubij pedera", etc. Not my idea of a good time, but whatever floats your 'splav'.
DeleteSuch inconveniences will not stop me. These are good boys, but lost direction. They need help and I am sure that they will get it in a good time. As Donald Rumsfeld once said (when responding to a question to comment suicide bombings in Iraq after democracy was brought into this country) "This is democracy. People in democracy are entitled to make mistakes. They will learn". I will also go to JNA. I was there when Dzevad Prekazi scored 2 incredible goals against Hajduk (Split; I think that was in 1975; 2:1 for us). I was also there when Partizan lost 1:6 (Hajduk again; I think that this was in 1976). Fans will sing "Volim Partizan" on Albanian "Leshi Kapetan" tune like in old times. Now I will have much more fan than before. I am rich and I have done everything in life that I wanted to do. I succeeded much more than I could imagine. Now it is my time to enjoy, and, for me, there is no better place on earth than Belgrade (for this purpose). Few years more and I am back. I wish you all the best.
DeleteThose times are long past, pal. They are not coming back.
DeleteOn the contrary, Belgrade is now better than ever. People have never been better, services as well. You can do now things that have never been possible to be done in Belgrade before. I agree that most of the things are unavailable for locals (money is an issue), but for me there are no problems. As I said before, if you are set to make impact in your job/business there are better places to be. However, if you already done that and you would like to enjoy life and have fun, Belgrade is at the top.
DeleteWell, I suppose if you have money you'll be surrounded by hoes 24/7 and everybody will be after your wallet now more than ever. Enjoy!
DeleteThanks, I will. Best regards.
Deletere-reading this, I enjoyed hooligan chanting that groups be murdered described as "inconveniences"
Delete@Doot: I am expert in life in Serbia. The secret of a good life in Serbia is:
ReplyDelete1) Don't work. It is important not to have any working/business relationships, as this could be quite stressful.
2) Be rich in relative terms. 30K Euros/year for you alone would be fine (if you already have a good place to live that you own).
3) Have your man for everything. Your doctor, your car mechanic, your politician, your policeman, your everything. The best is if these people are your childhood friends (like in my case).
4) Your mind has to be set on having fun and enjoying life. If you want to achieve any professional/business aspiration this will be a difficult place.
Just to provide this link for a Blic article: http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Drustvo/455164/Najbolja-zemlja-za-ljudski-zivot-je-Novi-Zeland-Srbija-na-41-mestu
ReplyDeleteThis research shows that Serbia is 41st out 192 countries in terms of Social Progress Parameters. UK is 13th, USA is 16th (New Zealand is No. 1; Swiss No.2). Serbia is ahead of Argentina, Bulgaria and many other countries. Locally, Slovenia is 18th, Croatia 36th, Macedonia 49th, Montenegro 52nd and Bosnia and Herzegovina 61st. Bulgaria is 44th and Romania is 51st. The worst country is Chad ranked 122nd.
I say don't try to change his mind. Poor guy obviously didn't integrate well into whatever country he tried to emigrate to.
DeleteAs opposed to you who obviously integrated very well into the country you emigrated.
DeleteI didn't emigrate here. God forbid. LOL. I'm on an adventure safari that I'll surely look back on and laugh. Yes, of course I can't integrate into this shit. It's kind of the point of my blog :D
DeleteYou are free,just leave!
DeleteYou think that you write about a country you live in, but you write about yourself. You made yourself a laughing stock.
ReplyDeleteoh noes!
DeleteThis is how real foreigner typically writes about Belgrade: http://yankee-in-belgrade.blogspot.com. You don't write like that. You write like a local very unhappy with his life.
ReplyDeleteoh cummon... I bet you've never once commented on the dozens of identical saccharine-syrupy expat blogs out there and just commented on mine.
DeleteThat would mean that you're more interested in my blog than any of the others.
You're welcome! :D
You write similarly to http://bosniasucks.blogspot.com and she is admittedly local who spent some time abroad before coming back to Sarajevo. She thinks that she is better than the others in Sarajevo, but she is not. Time that she spent abroad did not make her any different, but she thinks that it did. What she writes is the same that majority locals would write. Real foreigners would not write such things as their prospective is different. You write what many people in Belgrade say when complaining about tough life, lack of opportunities etc. They always complain with gross exaggeration (it is worse than anywhere; this can happen nowhere else but here etc.). You write like a typical local who is pissed off with life, but has no way out.
ReplyDeleteoh noes! some angry Serb posting from the UK thinks I'm a "fake foreigner". help!
Deletewait a second. Are you trying to suggest that I actually HAVE integrated well? :p
DeleteYou can take the boy out of Essex (Serbia), but not take Essex (Serbia) out of the boy. I like you as there is a typical Serbian desperation in you. When I say Serbian, it could also be Croatian, Bosnian, Montenegrin, Macedonian, but I guarantee that you are of Balkan-build. I mean it as a complement.
ReplyDeleteI am exactly as I have presented myself on here. I was born and lived all my life in a western country and so did my parents. I have Serbian roots beyond that.
DeleteIf you prefer or need to believe otherwise, that's entirely your privilege.
This is what I am saying ("Boys and Essex"). You are built up as a Serb. I have children born in the USA and bred in the UK; they are typical Serbs. They went into private schools and all that jazz (super successful), but as a people inside they are the same as they were born and bred in Belgrade. Genetics is a miracle. You are not a foreigner in Belgrade and this is obvious.
DeleteI find it quite obnoxious how Serbs entitle themselves to tell others what they are or are not. It's also one of the causes of the war, this primitive ontology.
DeleteI am sorry if I offended you. I totally accept that you are what you feel that you are and that I don't know who you are. I just told you what my conclusions were based on your writing. Maybe you are a 10 years-old Chinese girl who writes as an angry Serb from Belgrade. Also, don't ascribe to all Serbs what I write here. I represent only myself and I don't speak speak on anybody else’s behalf.
DeleteYour kids are like that because you raised them to be like that and also because they probably spend a lot of time with other brainwashed Serbs. Ultimately it's about how you choose to use your brain and live your own life, so don't just blame your genetics for it.
DeleteI am not blaming anything; I am proud to be what I am. My kids are also proud to be what they are. There are Serbs abroad that are ashamed to be Serbs, but those are usually people doing ordinary jobs feeling pressure of the environment to fit as much as possible. We were fortunate not to be in this position.
DeleteYes, that must be it. You are either proud or ashamed, there can't possibly be other options. God forbid you just accept your ancestry as a fact of life and move on. No, it MUST define you.
DeleteIt does not define you, but it is a part of you. Even if you don't know it or don't accept it. It makes you who you are like it or not.
DeleteI am proud to be Serb and you are just a hater.Sad,stupid,boring...
DeleteYou did integrate. This blog is a testament to that. You know when you come on Monday at work here and somebody asks you "How was your weekend?" your respond with "It was fantastic. I went to the hospital and they discovered that I got a cancer, but that's not too bad. It was a great lovely weekend. How about you?". In Serbia, it is "Kako si"? "Ma pusti me bre. Nista ne valja. Sve je propalo. Ova zemlja je otisla u picku materinu".
ReplyDeleteI agree with the last sentence.
DeleteI know that you do. You are a true Serb.
DeleteNope, "true" Serbs just like to complain and whine about things but don't really mean it. They have no intention of changing or fixing anything. In fact, they come here to defend the very same things they complain about.
DeleteYou got it. Moaning is just a therapy. The same as this blog (as you explained). You can take the boy out of Essex, but not take Essex out of the boy. You can be born and bred wherever you like, but you can't change your built. Like it or not.
ReplyDeleteHeh, I'm not Doot :) My therapy was to get the hell out of Serbia and stay as far as possible, which is exactly what I'm doing. No moaning and groaning here :)))
DeleteGood for you. I am happy that you enjoy life now. I am puzzled why Doot doesn't do the same thing? At least he can go out whenever he likes. Right?
ReplyDeleteMaybe he is a masochist? LOL
DeleteGood point. If you have a choice, why would you go to place you hate, cry about it, but still continuing to live there? You can understand the girl from Bosnia as she is traped there and can't go anywhere else. But Doot is not in this position. Why he continues to suffer?
DeleteI think I know what is going with Doot. He is probably discriminated in his country of birth. Although he hates Serbia, it is possibly still better for him to live there than in the country he came from.
ReplyDeleteBecause who you are. There are people discriminated in many countries for what they are regardless how long their ancestors live there. Did you see series "Roots" (as an example: families living centuries in the USA and they are still discriminated)? It is not shame to admit that you were forced to leave.
ReplyDeleteYes. Us poor Serbs get discriminated everywhere. Even Serbs' kids for generations and generations. It must be because everyone is jealous.
Delete*group hug*
They hate us 'cos we're good looking! /sarcasm
DeleteBut the truth is that you are more likely to be discriminated in Serbia for whatever reason (not conforming to the stereotype of a "true" Serb?) than in Doot's country of birth which accepts and is used to diversity. If you are too blind to see it then I can't help you either.
@Anonymous: I can't comment your statement about probability of being discriminated in two countries as I don't know where Doot was born (you obviously know so you can compare). Read my previous posts and you will realise that discrimination would explain why Doot is persevering staying in Serbia although he can come back to his native country (if he is a citizen of EU he can go back to his 28 countries). Would you stay in a place you hate if you can go out any time?
DeleteI admire your courage to come out clean and admit that you were victim of discrimination. It does not happen to everyone, but it happened to you (nothing to be ashamed of). Hopefully, you will be able to find a country where you can be happy.
ReplyDeleteI don't know the man, but Doot seems to be chauvinist/racist. He is very ready to berate Serbs and other Balkan nations playing up to all negative stereotypes. Note that he doesn't criticise Serbian state or policies much; he mainly targets Serbian people using generalization and stereotyping as a strategy. I am unsure whether some things he writes here are legal.
ReplyDeleteYeah, and who created Serbian state and policies if not Serbs and Serbian people? Should we blame CIA, Vatican, the Trilateral Commission?? LOL........Obviously doot is exploiting the fact that Serbia is a lawless shithole to make a quick buck, and since he also gets a kick out of treating women like dirt, what better place for him than the Balkans? Balkan women are treated like that by default, in the words of Slavoj Zizek, "on this side, women get beaten, get raped, and like it. "
Delete@Anonymous: Why he is complaining then?
ReplyDeleteDon't know, maybe he misses Canadian cuisine? lol
Delete@Anonymous: Probably not as he can always go to McDonald's. I deducted that he has to stay in Serbia as he can't stand discrimination in his home country.
ReplyDeleteDon't believe it for a second. He spends time in Switzerland and goes to Belgrade to exploit it and because he gets a kick out of it, kind of like a safari, right?
Delete@Anonymous: Unlikely. His writing doesn't fit into that scenario. He writes like an angry local Serb who has no way out (no civil society here, rude people, no work ethics etc.). I also don't think that he like girls in a sexual way (as it is difficult to like girls and hate Serbia) and being an open gay could be a problem in Serbia (this is probably what makes him unhappy). Anyway his blog title is wrong. It should be something like "My life sucks" or "My life misadventure".
ReplyDeleteDude! Think about it. Would an openly gay guy choose to live in Serbia? I wouldn't be surprised if he's some sort of a pimp, though.
DeleteHe was most likely forced to come to Serbia. Probably, he couldn't survive in his native country. If he had anything to do with girls, he would write that he is in haven, not in hell. If he tries to make living by exploiting someone in Serbia, good luck to him. It is possible, but you need to know how.
DeleteDoot you are too lenient towards Serbs. I was so happy when NATO start bombing them, but then so disappointed when they killed only few thousands. Throughout history Serbs killed Croats, particularly during world wars. Keep up good work, but don't be too lenient as you are now.
ReplyDeleteLay off the pipe already. Serbia is an absolute shithole and doot is just some schmuck scraping the bottom of the barrel for whatever perverted reasons. Case closed. LOL
DeleteIt is so boring to hear their pathetic whining about the bombing like a small child who's tantruming because uncle joe didn't let the little sucker to steal all other children's lollipops. They insist they're right in their (stupid) position and everyone else (the whole world!) is wrong, their poor ass was unjustifiably punished and we (the whole world) are evil because of that. The funniest thing is that if you really look at the aftermath, they're crying for 6 fucking buildings.. that's right, there were 6 fucking buildings being chirurgicallly bombed in Belgrade as you can see that all buildings right across the streets were left entirely intact, and yet they're annoyingly tearing off their clothes by chanting "oh mama that stupid uncle joe did smacked my sorry little ass". Go get a real life you sore losers!
ReplyDeleteAgain a few days ago they were crying because of the floods, and although we understand it's not a nice thing to deal with, they multiply their misery by 20 times crying and whining and weeping...... turn on the TV in an English language channel (not only the serbian trash you normally watch) and you'll see what your problems are NOTHING compared with the perennial and catastrophical natural disasters we go through in other latitudes.. go get a life, stupid serbian morons!
I agree with most of what you say about the bombing, but the floods are a legitimate disaster for a lot of people. People lost everything. Some people have reason to cry and weep, especially the families of those killed.
DeleteI will say that it's a bit ridiculous reading, from some of the usual suspects, how it's being "ignored" by the international media. I might make a post about it, but now's too soon.
Well, I wasn't mocking with the floods they recently had and I agree that it was a big problem, but in the other hand it's certainly annoying to watch their crying Magdalene kind of attitude. Whatever problem they face (whether provoked by mother nature or their own stupidity), they simply won't move on, they stick to their new found martyrdom and misery and multiply it a thousand times bigger, and they keep telling you that whichever problems that might exist around the world, such problems have no relevance compared to theirs.. the typhoon over the Philippines, the Indian Ocean tsunami over Indonesia, the Tōhoku tsunami over Japan (among many others) ..those were all little cookies, very little meager drizzles compared to how much they're suffering today and you've got to agree with them :p that nobody else had ever suffer more than them in the history of mankind. And when it comes to war... oh boy, (compared to their suffering..) the holocaust was just a tiny aggravation between countries, Sebrenica didn't exist (even their own imbecile President Nikolic publicly denied it), and as a consequence the whole world is so wrong for not supporting their lunacy and only they were right in their position, and not only right but also pure, nice, innocent and virgin :p ..it's like hearing some irritating little boy babbling loudly "oh mommy mommy oh mommy, uncle Joe didn't let me steal the other children's candy bars.....oh mommy mommy uncle joe came 20 years ago to whoop my sorry little ass and I don't know whyyyyeeeee??? ...mommyyy mommyyyyyyy, gde si moooooooommmmmyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeee!!!?????
DeleteThe world has a new martyr today: poor little sorry ass Serbia!! ...so much for serbian pride... pride of what????? :p
P.S just in case some serbian horse attempts to rebate the facts of nature (with blah blah blah), here are some of the recounts of what a real megathrust natural disaster looks like:
- the 2013 Typhoon Haiyan over the Philippines (6,500+ fatalities confirmed, 22,000+ missing, 20,000+ homes destroyed, 4,000,000+ displaced)
- the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami over Japan (18,000+ fatalities confirmed, 3,000+ missing, 270,000+ homes destroyed, 375,000+ displaced)
- the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami over Indonesia (230,000+ fatalities confirmed, 45,000+ missing, 1,700,000+ displaced)
John,you are a hater,racist and big ass...e!
DeleteI'm actually glad that story about how we are stupid and how we are suck bring such a fine group of people over here :)) you are worthless, even less than that. No one can make you love Serbia, but looks like you are meant to hate us and it is good, since i don't hate any of you and I don't have any bad opinion about anyone and anything...and you do.... so basically in all kind a ways I'm better person than you are, and you ever be...simple.
ReplyDeleteI love my country, I love my people and I like everything about Serbia.
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My believe is that Serbs needs to be isolated from you on every aspect since you are the one who are spending more money on weapons, because you build your country on slaves blood and sweet, because you colonized dozens of country just for resource exploration, because you dropped nuke's, because since WW2 you are making wars all around the globe and because you are not ashamed at all and that is the worst sign of all.
I'm just ordinary Serbian guy married to beautiful wife from Britain (she is so cute when speaking Serbian), and hey we find happiness in Serbia, you didn't, so it is time for you to look it somewhere else.
I wish you a best in your life, but I'm bagging you to don't pay much attention on us. We are what we are, and it is what it is.. .take it or leave it, it is so simple that even it is ridiculous to argue about it.
I know very well that majority of Western worlds doesn't like us, like I said my wife is from Britain and her family was not happy with her decision, and they told me everything in face. Only reason why I didn't react like I should is because I'm loving her with all my soul.
You people even if Serbia doesn't exists at all , you would find someone to don't like, because you feed your soul with negative thoughts and feelings during the period of time. You should clean you soul and this time try to fill that cup with something better.
Best way to deal with Serbia is to ignore it ;)
I don't hate Serbia because of my country of origin. I didn't hate it when I came here. I had a great first impression of Serbia
Deletelol @ some dude posting from the UK, pretending he posting from Serbia spinning some fantasy of Serbia living in some kind of splendid isolation where everyone sits around and caresses each other with three fingers and smugly thinks of how superior they are. ha ha. Funny the sorts of fantasies Serbian expats imagine.
DeleteGreat comment Luke!Love it!
DeleteCommon Doot,
ReplyDeleteTo be honest your text even make me a little sad, because someone is using his intellectual advantage to humiliate others.
Yes we are cruel environment, and my wife could tell even more worse things then you posted. Formula for success in all kind of ways is your ability to change, so my advise would be try to accept things way they are. Don't tell me that you have to stand in line to pay bills, you can do that on-line for the last 7 years.
thanks tips
DeleteDott, admit and be honest to yourself - it is a problem in you. Frankly I'm willing to assist you in all kind of ways. Here is the deal, I'll leave you my phone, address in Belgrade to prove that I am Serbian and that I'm living in Serbia...and you will than tell me what was the real reason to make you be so negative... it is not just typing it is something more... and if I help you in solving your problems...could you promise me that you'll try to look things from different retrospective? I'm taking kids in park cross the red star stadium every day from 16-18 you can pass and see and if I look like Chetnik you can pass, and if I look like reasonable person you can stop by and talk, my wife is British so there is no way that you can miss her :) I' m more less same like everyone else )))
ReplyDeleteI know, I know, It's totally my fault that Serbia sucks.
DeleteI'm sure you're a nice guy but I won't be taking you up on your offer for a number of reasons.
1) I know what my problems are and I don't need you telling me what they are.
2) I can have an entire country full of people willing to sit down with me who would gladly spend their entire day explaining to me that Serbia is wonderful and something is wrong with me, so you're not so special in this regard.
3) The reason I moderate my comments on here is that I have people legitimately threatening me from time to time and there's no way I'd risk revealing myself in person.
4) I do actually have friends here, you know. I have plenty of people I can and do hang out with if I'm feeling down.
But thanks. I believe your invitation to be sincere and I think you're genuinely trying to help. I'm not sure you actually understand the problem, but that's another story :)
Hi friend, or to say not-friend :)
DeleteSo, you do have friends in Serbia? Are they Serbs?
Do you think they are also scumbags, as everyone born is Serbia is object of your hatred?
I also think Luke's invite was sincere, as this is one of traits of Serbs - spite, don't know how to translate it - "inat". He is thinking to himself - I'm going to prove you that Serbia is great country!! But he knows he would be talking like you if he was born in South Korea. We all know that.
I don't want you to like me, my country, I just think it is rude that you are living so long here and you haven't wrote ANYTHING nice, or remotely close to nice about it.
And I would like to know is there really nothing nice in Serbia, as I'm not objective.
Any chances to discover from which country you come from?
Cheers.
The be honest, I don't want to convince you in anything, and very last think I would like to do spent time explaining you how Serbia is wonderful country ~ it is like type of food or drink... you can like or you can not. What I could tell you since you are stuck in Serbia.... few places where you could enjoy in other things than bad Serbians.... what about visiting some places, or did you consider moving to Novi Sad, Subotica.... my point is if you have to be in Serbia, why you need to be in Belgrade? Did you maybe consider to help younger Serbians to learn them how to be better. Since you are coming from western part of world I'm sure you can offer us much more than this......... I'm 100% sure that you could use your talent which you posses (writing, describing, exploring) use in better purposes? Why don't you try? The longest journey starts with first step.
ReplyDeleteNo mater who you are and where you coming from if you approach to people with love and empathy, they will fill it and they will respond on same way... that is natural human response (anywhere in world), and on a very opposite if you approach to someone with negative thoughts, arrogance response would be the same... body language is something you cannot hide it is human instinct to feel good or bad, (nothing to do with nationality).
You said you have friends in Serbia..... if they are Serbians are they know what you are typing about them and probably their relatives family members... since you generalize in most of your blogs.
Maybe I don't understand problem of yours, but it is amazing that you spent 4 years on this project without trying to change something. And for all these years with you attitude, and your writing you just make people to think bad about you... so no mater how funny sounds to you but it is a bad karma........ you see I'm Serbian but I'm not religious at all, but I believe there is balance.......
And I would tell you what my father told me and I'm learning today my kids: Dobro se uvek vraca Dobrim (I know you will understand).
I don't have anything more to say, good luck with your blogs, and I hope that you might find something that will push you in more positive direction.......maybe this will sound strange.....maybe that karma keeps you over here...maybe you are punished to be with us.... and you see from my example I believe I'm blessed to be here with my family. Good people are good people anywhere in world, bad people are bad people.
I'm not going to post anything more on your blogs - you have my word, and if you have any question please do not hesitate to ask on private.
Wish you all the best,
Luka
You've devoted a lot of time to this today.
DeleteYou might ask yourself why.
If I stumbled across a hate site about my home town or country I couldn't imagine giving a flying fuck
All the best for you Luka!
DeleteBut forks...
ReplyDeletebuuu huuu 9/11 *cry*, every year we must listen about 9/11 and evil terrorists story ... and whole world know its US government deed.
ReplyDeleteUSA is genocide nation ,wherever they go, they kill for interest!
American are brainwashed ...